I just think it's nearly impossible for a player to "cheat" a site. On our (the player's) we don't have capability to place the money we want to withdraw in our own possession, only the site has that capability. If a player goes in under a different name to receive the site's "free trial" bonus whoopty-ding! They can't cashout on those "free trial" bonuses anyway!! Who do the sites think they are kidding? (Well, there ARE a few who choose to believe that players can manipulate sites into giving them actual cash, LOL!!) If my memory serves me correctly (and forgive me if it doesn't) there is a thread somewhere where a personnel member of a site (in an email or trouble ticket response) states that the reason for the multiple account rule is because players try to manipulate and cheat the site. OMG get real! Ok, first scenario:

Bali goes in to try out at a site (will refrain from pointing any fingers by naming a particular site) on their "free trial" bonus. She signs up, sends in a ticket requesting the "free trial" money and the trial money is place in her account. She goes in and plays in their regular pay room (there is one site that I can name that only lets you play the "free trial" in their free room only--WOW AN HONEST SITE!)...anyway....Bali goes into their regular pay room to use her trial money and see what the site has to offer. She plays a few games and wins one worth $100. Ohhhh is she excited!! So now she can play awhile. So she plays for several hours winning now and then enough to keep her playing. (She might as well play out this money because she can't cash it out.) Meanwhile, PAYING players are dumping THEIR money into the site hoping their turn will come and they'll win something. THEY are the ones who can cashout (providing they've met the site's required playthrough). So, Bali continues to play on her "free trial" wins and has only one option--keep playing to use up the cash she's won because she can't cash it out. She is taking money away from the REAL DEPOSITING PLAYERS with her "free trial" wins. Each time she wins a game, those that are paying to play are forfeiting the money to the site because nobody REALLY "wins" that money. It stays with the site because it has to be played back in or left in the account--unable to be cashed out because it's won on their "free trial" bonus. Ok, now if Bali stays and plays that money until it's all gone and she loses it all back to the site, then it's not so bad because the other players (hopefully not other "free trial" players) are winning it back. But she realizes that money isn't able to be cashed out because she's got over $20 in her account so she can't deposit, and she can't cash it out because she hasn't made a deposit (because she wanted to try the site out with their "free trial" first) she just leaves the site with the money still sitting in her account. Guess who gets that money back? YEP the site does. And those players that played against Bali in the games she won are just out the money that went into those games that Bali should have had NO CHANCE of winning!

If you're not understanding this scenario, then let me spell it out in plain, simple language: the site gives "free" money to play on to try the site. That in itself is ok, but it should ONLY be allowed to be played in a FREE room and not in a pay game against PAYING players.

So, back to my thought---
Multiple accounts in order to "rip the site off" by receiving their "free trial" bonuses is JUST BOGUS. Not happening. The player who is accepting and using their so-called "free money" isn't gaining a damn thing! There is no possibility of cashing it out, so how can that player possibly be ripping the site off? Good grief, people are not THAT stupid.

Now, next question about players cheating a site (or attempting to) with multiple accounts--

How is it wrong for a player to have and deposit to more than one account? If Bali sets up three accounts (one each at three sister sites) and deposits to ALL THREE accounts, and wins a fair amount--HOW IS THAT WRONG?? They can throw the multiple accounts crap out there forever and I will NEVER see it their way. Next scenario:

Bali goes to "Sumpn Special Bingo" and opens an account, makes a deposit and begins to play. She also goes to "Greatest Bingo on Earth" and deposits there and begins to play. Next she goes to "High Hopes Bingo" and sets up an account and deposits to play there. Nowhere on any of their homepages does it say anywhere that they are sister sites. She doesn't have a CLUE she's done anything wrong within their rules because they don't make it CLEAR that there are sister sites and if so, who they are. Bali continues to play at all three sites ON THE DEPOSIT SHE'S MADE AT EACH ONE. At "Sumpn Special Bingo" she wins a $500 game and goes to request a cashout--she's flatly denied her cashout because she's got "multiple accounts." Yes, but she didn't cheat anyone, she didn't KNOW they were sister sites because it's not clearly stated at any one of them! She has been DUPED BY THE SITE by the multiple accounts rule.

Here's my question: If a player signs up at sister sites and deposits at each site, wins and wants to cashout, HOW IS THAT CHEATING OR MANIPULATING THE SITE?? If she DEPOSITED at EACH of those three sites, what has she done wrong? Even if she split a bingo three ways with herself, she STILL PAID to play that game three times! Yes, it might seem unfair to those who only have one account, but it's not. If she deposited and played from each of those three accounts, she isn't gaining any more money than if she'd won one game with one account because she paid to play all three! So someone PLEASE tell me how it is that multiple accounts is unfair if the person PAYS to play each game?

Bali deposits $20 at Sumpn Special Bingo," $20 at "Greatest Bingo on Earth" and $20 at "High Hopes Bingo" and plays 4 cards at each site. She wins one game under the "Sumpn Special" account. Her other two accounts didn't win, but yet she still paid to play them just like the rest of the players. So, she had more of a chance to win than some of the other players, so what? She PAID to play them all. So who is she cheating and how?

I'd REALLY like someone to point out to me where the manipulation is by the player in those scenarios.

If a site states that you can only have ONE account within their company, then they DAMNED SURE BETTER post their sister sites ON EACH HOMEPAGE so that a player has some idea that they've already signed up within their company. Now having only one account PER SITE I can understand. But, when THE SITES manipulate players into breaking the multiple accounts rule by not CLEARLY stating their sister sites on each homepage....it's clear to ME that they have something to hide. They don't WANT you to know that they are related to the other sites because then they can't "getcha" on the multiple accounts rule.

That's just ONE OF MANY issues I have with some of the online sites out there. This isn't directed at any one site, it's directed at ALL of the sites out there that pull this crap.

So, if this post should be moved, it's ok by me LOL.

You answered your own question on that yourself. Why should someone have more of an advantage to win over others who also paid to play the game? And most sites state ONE account per player and a lot will even say if you email them and want to set up another account for, say your spouse, all you have to do is contact them and they will allow it. If you do not ask them then I see it being just and right if you do not get the money you win. They give you an opportunity to get another account for your spouse if you sneak and do it and are stupid enough to believe it won't be noticed then you don't deserve to get the money. It's really as simple as an email so what is the big deal? Seems more like to try it and say boohoo I didn't get what I wanted but I have a hard time feeling sympathy for those people when it was as easy a process as an email.

as stated repeatedly in Bali's post....multiple accounts at ONE site within a network SHOULD be disallowed without special permission for a spouse to have his/her own account. In fact, if the site was worth its salt, it would have in place software that would STOP somebody from registering twice right from the git-go rather than allow multiple accounts and then use it against you with a 'gotcha' once a cashout is requested.

However, to NOT advertise the names on the site homepage of ALL of their sister sites is another 'gotcha' by the network and is used against you when you had NO clue that you were now in a 'multiple account' situation.

AND, the fact that if you were able to create a separate account at EACH of the sister sites and DEPOSIT to each one, you are doing nothing more to that site to increase your chances of winning than somebody in a land bingo hall buying more cards than the person sitting next to them. It's legal to do so and should be allowed.

MOST people gamble to MAKE money, not to toss it into a garbage can as a donation to a site or land bingo hall/casino....otherwise there would be a trash can on the homepage where people could make a deposit and go back to surfing without ever playing. Sure, chat rooms are nice, but they aren't necessary for most people which is why there are sites that have pre-buys available. Not everybody cares to talk to people in a chat room and prefer to just purchase cards and leave, hoping their balances are larger when they return since the cards will play themselves whether they are sitting there or doing laundry or going to a family picnic where they can REALLY socialize.

I suspect that your key enjoyment lies with arguing with rocks......since they can't debate back or show you where your beliefs may be mistaken.

Thanks for explaining in words I couldn't seem to get across, Navy. It ISN'T wrong to go to land bingo and buy more cards than the person sitting next to you. It SHOULDN'T be wrong to buy more cards or have more accounts if you're PAYING to play those cards and accounts. It's not a matter of a person setting out to CHEAT the site; it's a matter of if a person has the money and desire to gamble hardcore, who is the site to decide that for you?

And the part about breaking their rules?.....apparently BullW, you didn't fully get what I was saying. IF the SITE does NOT post their sister sites OPENLY and HONESTLY for EVERYONE to see when they sign up, then how the hell is anyone supposed to just KNOW that they've entered the multiple accounts "gotcha" if the company doesn't make it OBVIOUS AND CLEAR to their customers (the depositing players) what their sister sites are? I've signed up many times at different sites and had NO IDEA I was signing up for a site at the same company! If a person signs up sixteen times at ONE site, then yes..deny them their payout, but if they sign up at sister sites (my examples were "Sumpn Special Bingo," "Greatest Bingo on Earth," and "High Hopes Bingo") that a person has NO CLUE are related, and it isn't openly and fairly posted, how is that person to know they've done anything wrong?

It isn't about having multiple accounts at ONE SITE. I get that. If you want your husband to have an account at the same site you play at, then yes, email and request it and do it properly. But that's NOT my issue.

My issue is, when they have networked MULTIPLE different sites from ONE company together, then they NEED TO LET THEIR PUBLIC KNOW IT!

Go ahead, argue it out, that seems to be what you're here for and that's ok. But do NOT make me seem like a stupid person by ignoring my true intent in asking these questions. All I'm doing is trying to understand why it's so hard for companies to place a list of their sites ON THE HOMEPAGE of each site within their network to give their players a fair chance to avoid their multiple accounts crap. So see... if the sites want everyone to FOLLOW THEIR RULES in order to be eligible for an honest cashout, then the SITE shouldn't set traps for those of us who truly want to play by the rules.

I'm not a rule breaker and I'm very careful to ask questions and make sure I don't screw up one of their so-called rules (that they can change at any time they see fit--to their advantage). But, you know, I HAVE asked sites before why they don't place a list of their sister sites on each networked site of their company, and not ONE of them has EVER given me a straight answer.

There you have it.

navymoms said: Speaking to Bullwinkle




I do think you are dead on with this. A convergence of ideas and opinions is a good thing and just not appreciated when a person is single minded and intolerant. Frankly, I understand the need to defend a site that has been favorable and accomodated your needs, but to dismiss the factual experiences of many others as faulty, especially a proven cheating site, is without reason, lacks empathy and is without any valid or concrete evidence other than a single personal assessment.
I have long felt that sites should be responsible for posting sister sites or use software that prevents multiple accounts. Some network sites do allow you to have accounts , within a sites legal description, at all of the sites and some do not.
The sites that stress NO MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS and then go on to say, "unless you email us first" is convoluted. This, in effect, says to me that they must approve who you are and allow you to set up another account at their discretion.They can say "yes" to player A, and "no" to player B. A huge window of opportunity for particular people to have multiples while others are denied cashouts and suffer banning or closed accounts. As always, sites retain the last word and demand complete obedience while affording themselves variable and optional ability to alter,change and add rules at their convenience. This is what we have in the world of online bingo at the present, but it does not make it right or fair. If you want to play their game you must abide by their complex and manipulative policies, but that is not to say a person must give up their right to file a complaint or address a problematic issue. Many licensing agents call for a resolution platform in the event of a problem, but sites interpret that as"we have the last word" but you may contact us if any further information is needed".
Bingoplayersunion is a place where players can ask for help or redress in solving problems that arise out of the confusion and variant policies of gaming sites. When a site refuses to respond to a player or BPU when acting as the authorized agent, then we must deal with one side of the FACTS. If someone has conflicting information or can refute with PROOF, that makes the job much easier... to have valid and documented evidence from everyone involved may provide a fast and equitable resolution.
Contributing opinions and personal experience is helpful and interesting, but with regard to determining a proper and just outcome, opinions that are not supported with documentation are nothing more than circumspect remarks.
If anyone is unhappy with a determination that has been rendered by BPU, or for that matter any forum or review, it is wise to arm yourself with solid, documented data that will disprove or shed a new light on the decision making process. Merely addressing the situation with denials and personal thoughts that have no real basis in fact, is inconsequential , ineffectual and only serves to provoke uneccessary hostilities.
When a person continues to play at a bingo site that has been blacklisted, boycotted or placed on a rogue list on several sites, they take their chances and are quite subject to being defrauded, whether that is in their realm of thinking or not. Unless they have some special and extenuating circumstances that would preclude them from being cheated, their money is just as green as anyone elses.
With bingovega, that is where the "luck" comes into play....lucky that you have NOT been cheated....yet. If you choose to support a known cheating site, please do..it is your money and time, but do not berate or intimidate others that have been cheated and deceived for not following your lead or giving loyalty to a known corrupt site.

Since so many sites now are calling it "risk management" and closing accounts just for posting at bingo forums, whether the posts are good or bad, if BullW actually used his/her log in name here that he/she uses at various sites, how quickly BullW would be asking for help to recover money that was confiscated when those sites closed his/her account for no other reason than 'risk management' as an excuse because he/she posted here.

I also wonder how quickly BullW would be here asking for BPU help if a cashout was denied at ANY site he/she played at....and claimed that he/she broke no rules but was accused of doing so by other BPU members. It's only a matter of time.........since leopards don't change their spots and rogue/blacklisted/boycotted sites are still doing business as usual.

Why is it that you all believe that everything you say is correct? Your opinions are not the only ones that should matter. No one is going to agree with you all the time. Get over it. You believe what you believe I believe what I believe. The difference is I do it more gracefully. I never, like you all, resort to childish backlash and pitiful little antics. I said I see where you are coming from. We have different views on things. Yours don't make you right mine don't make me right. You could be a lot more classy when you disagree with someone. I thought I was speaking to adults! I'm not trying to argue as you all seem to so much thrive on. I don't know maybe your lives aren't very fulfilling to you and you need a little drama but don't send it my way. You asked an opinion I gave you one, don't get mad cause you don't agree with it. Grow up and when you do maybe then we can have a real discussion if you can handle a discussion with someone who isnt going to kiss your azz.

As for you dynamite

I stated opinions very nicely I might add, and you immediately had hissy fit. And single minded? Hell no! I repeatedly said "I understand" when someone disagreed with me. You are always rude and unpleasant and just down right nasty. That to me makes you single minded and intolerant. Don't be so bitter just because someone isn't on board with everything you say. You can't win em all sweetheart. Quit being so nasty.[/quote]

Thanks for the heads up navy mom but I think my status at Vega is safe. They didn't even close bingogirls account after what she said on here so I believe a good review will go over easily. I'm sure I don't have to worry about that. But if there are sites who do that why isn't anything focused on them? Well Shucks, there is a worse site than Vega.

DUHHHHHH....you really ARE that dense or you would have found the thread here at BPU that deals with that issue (closing/disabling accounts for members posting in bingo forums) and sites were named that have been found to do it regularly....confiscating all funds in those accounts at the same time.

They may not be worse than Vega, but they are in the same league.

Wow! Again navy I say I was under the impression I was speaking to adults. Did you really just say "duh" to me? LMAO And you want to call me dense? PLEASE GET REAL!!! Don't speak to me that way! I gave you that respect but that can change. Grow up!!!!



Sissy also said:

Now correct me if I'm wrong Sissy but I think that applies to you also sweetheart navy.

wanted to know why another issue wasn't being focused on....but if you had bothered to search this site or do a google search on 'risk management' you would have found a number of bingo forum sites that have been reporting this very issue. Most of those sites other than BPU were actually brought to their attention by members here at BPU because we were the ones that discovered that tactic being used first...by having it happen to us (I was the first one that I know of that had a site actually admit to doing it by BingoSky and also by AlphaBingo // both owned by the same network, by the way and I had membership in good standing with both according to them at the time).

You asked for facts, but a simple search would have turned up what you were looking for rather than depending on somebody else to do your homework for you.

It was actually a rhetorical question. I didn't ask you for facts. So I also didn't "ask you to do my homework for me" either.

But you could have just said that in the first place instead of being snide and rude.

BW Said:

Oh there is focus on other sites.. just not in THIS thread. This is Vega Bingo's special place and we don't want other issues clouding the one that is being debated here. It does not matter one bit WHAT else may be brought up here, either I will or some other BPU member will turn this thread back around to Vega. They deserve all they are getting and more.

NM said:


NM you as well as others have helped guide new members to facts with a link or two. Yes anyone can find the facts, but thanks to those of you who do help, even when you are not required to. And especially when it doesn't seem like the help links are being used, or the forum is being read. And NO this isn't aimed at anyone.. just a general statement.

BPU staff and members have researched, listened, read and gathered facts, documentation and opinions about BingoVega. They will remain BLACKLISTED and in the course we will continue to warn all players against playing there.

Quite honestly that shouldn't bother the few of you that are left because it should be a lot easier to win with so few players. Good luck at the games! And ANY luck if you play at Vega!!