Have you noticed, while playing bingo, that each game lasts about the same amount of time no matter how many numbers the pattern playing requires?

Have you noticed that while playing on software that uses all numbers, such as byworth, the "random" number generator (rng) seems to call more of the numbers not used in the pattern until the chances to win JP are over?

Have you ever been in chat when a player comments about not winning in "XX" amount of time, that within a very short period of time you see their name in the winners box?

What have you "noticed" that seems odd as far as the random generation of numbers are called? Do you have an opinion or explanation for any of the questions above, or comments?

Yes I have and why is it my # does not come out??(lol yes bit of a sore loser on the topic) but others can do it and every time BAM!! there is the winning # for them? I must say I believe there are FAVORITE winners at most sites. otherwise someone explain why the same player can win over and over again with more then 50 others playing in the game and alot of other players are also buying max cards? I have been in chat where 10- 15 players say they are maxing(weather they are or not dont know just what was said) and the same person will win 6 or more out of 10 games now how is that? I have given up trying to figure it out and will stick with they are either a FAVORITE or HOUSE PLAYER. most players do not care what name you label them with all we know is were not them were not that so called LUCKY player getting our # called as soon as we put it in chat.
"MERRY CHRISTMAS BPU"
and good luck all of you out there not getting your # called too lol.

Many sites will proclaim how "fair" their random number generator is...but no sites make any remarks or claims about card distribution among the players.
There definitely is a "most" called number list.Try it yourself with a pair of dice. Roll the dice about 50 times and record the numbers coming up. If you had to make a bet on the 51st spin, wouldnt you choose the number that most often appeared? The cards that contain the most often, or most probable numbers to be called are distributed to the players that are so "lucky". The rng does not have to be tampered with at all. the random numbers are just statistically recorded and used as a tool to help ensure the correct winner is chosen by distributing those cards. How do we know If we are all getting the same cards to choose from? This cant be or when 50 or more people playing and even 25 maxing out, if they were all the same cards available to select from, there would be multiple winners way more often.
A site know the "hot" numbers, or the most often called. All they need to do place those hot numbered cards where a "winner" will most likely appear.When a site says they give you a "boost" or extra odds of winning for paying cash at an otherwise free game...They must have some way to do that huh? To assist in predetermining just who will win by placing the cards with the "popular" numbers at the disposal of the LUCKY WINNERS is an easy software task. I could do that manually with a group of cards if I knew the hot numbers. If b5 was called 30 times out of 50 times, and the pattern was the b line ( for instance) I would naturally take that card to increase my odds of winning, and so forth with every b number.
And this is to assume that there was no manipulation of the rng, or numbers being called. Or what a site would call "fair" in the sense of technical compliance.
There has been way too many times when a player has repeatedly called out a number in chat, and then it magically appears. If a site posted the "odds" of the next number being generated ( as they well know through sampling data) I have no doubt it would be the number requested by the player who is destined to call bingo.

With as little time between games as less than 2 minutes.. it would be very hard to go through and pick cards with those numbers on them too.
I think there are many ways the games are manipulated.

I have played off and on for years and maybe I notice too much ROFLMBOOOOOO. But I am gonna talk about what I notice!! Maybe others will notice the same.... who knows?

My question is this...

Once regulation happens, with software able to be manipulated, how will anyone KNOW FOR SURE that it isn't manipulated post-regulation? I must say, that I have played bingo on and off for about three years and I have played low cards and max cards and have been very blessed to win lots. I do know, in my playing experience that playing max cards or even high cards did net me many more wins than when I played low cards, but that might just be coincidence too.

On the flip side of it, when I was working as a CM and had access to the admin pages that allowed us to see who was playing in what game, I also noticed that the players of large amounts of cards were those that won and won and won on a regular basis. This proves nothing, just my observations as a player and as a CM.

Before I was an online bingo player I was also a land bingo player. One thing that used to frustrate me to no end was watching (at land bingo) the same person win over and over and over on a regular basis. (Bless your heart, Cindy!...that's her name) I never ever went to bingo ONE time where Cindy didn't win at least two games each time. I'd go weeks with no win but not Cindy. ughhhhhhhh!!! It was sooo frustrating! But, she paid more to win than I did. She had a table full of cards (I don't know to this day how she kept up with all those cards!) and I had many fewer. In her winning all the time, she hardly ever won back what she paid to play, though. I sat by her many many times and watched her face when people would make snide comments about her winning so much. She truly is a wondeful person who loves bingo. None of this is of any importance to our quest in finding honest and fair bingo online, but I thought it might interest you to know that the same winner theory may or may not hold water. Seeing what I've seen over the years, I've come to the conclusion that it's possible that people ARE that lucky, and it's also possible that there is manipulation going on. I say both are probably true to an extent.

Just my two cents.

The majority of my playing experience has been at Byworth sites, and yes, I have noticed some interesting quirks. One that really interests me is this; when playing minimum cards (3) in quarter games, I will get down to one number more frequently (and even win occasionally) than I do if I play more cards. In fact, when I get frustrated with a long losing streak, that's what I do. Even if I'm not winning, at least I get to have a little excitement...lol

As a matter of fact, this happened to me last week. I was down to just a few dollars left of my deposit+bonus and I wasn't winning. I put it on auto for 3 cards a game and went away to make dinner. I came back and I won a progressive blackout for $240. Boy was I surprised.

Now here's the second quirk I've noticed. Whenever I win a large-ish amount, I stop winning after that. This time in particular, I even stopped getting red on 3-card buy-ins. Sad to say the winnings are all gone now - lol.

As to my theory of rng statistics... It is not necessary to do any of the manipulation between games. That would be completely taken care of before one number was called. I am saying that the "best cards" are predetermined thru random sampling, simply by the results in daily play. The cards that have the most called out numbers can be detected in a nanosecond and gathered in the wink of an eye. Those particular cards are then given to particular people, and while it may not ensure a win, it sure boosts their chances of a bingo. Games are laid out ahead of time..the patterns played,the time, etc. Plenty of time to arrange what is necessary. The selection of cards given to you to make a selection from..could be the worst or best cards available..that is up to the site.
I just dont see if they are all the same cards and many people are maxing out, why arent there multiple winners every game? If they are all choosing from the same cards? Because they are NOT all the same cards ,are they? I know there are many ways to control the winners and the losers in a game, but this is a way that is so simple and unadorned with complexities,it just ROCKS! LOL

In rebuttal to this, I would like to mention a few things I do know about sites. It does not help the site at all to have a player playing and winning nine times an hour. Money is made by having a lot of players playing. There is nothing that brings down numbers faster than a single player coming in and winning a lot of games. So, in no way does hitting that “win button” everyone imagines allow so and so to win help the site; it actually harms their pocket book. You will be very hard pressed to find any present or former cm anywhere to say they have knowledge of a button they press to determine winner, or office that says they control who wins. I have never ever personally seen it working many, many years in this industry from cm to back office, and have never even remotely heard rumors of it within the industry. It does not matter who wins the bingo, what matters is having the most players playing and making the money. You don’t make money from the wins you make – it’s from the players playing. Do I state there is no way for manipulation? No, not at all. There is no reason for it when it comes to who wins the bingo. We simply don’t care. What we care about is having a full room of people playing and staying for a long time. Having a huge database of players and ones loyal to staying with your site. This would not happen if someone sat in some dark closet and clicked for Marge and Frank to win over and over.

Can’t contradict anything you say, I am looking at it from where I have worked and from legitimate bingo sites. I can only speak from what I personally know. With anything in life there is always people out there to find loopholes and manipulation to get money. In no way do I say all sites are legitimate or honest and same in reverse. I have seen it from players doing everything they can to get free buck and find ways to bonus hunt. A lot of strict rules come from how these players try to get what ever they can for free and take advantage. It is a never-ending task from all sides. I appreciate your diligence in exposing bad sites, for every bad site exposed players will go to legitimate well-meaning sites. I also enjoy playing and have chosen sites I play from the many forums I read, and from personal experience. I just like putting in my 2 cents from the other side from what I know of from years of working in this industry. There is a place for this debate and the word does get out, march on soldiers.

and thank you!! Merry Christmas to you and yours!!

The fact that house players can change their player names frequently and win big also manipulates the winners lists by making legit spenders figure there aren't many repeat winners so therefore the site must be honest. In the meantime, the money stays 'in house' and never has to be actually paid out.

This makes for a GREAT money laundering site as well........and there are a number of those floating around.

Oh Boy this really hits home. I played at a site for a cple yrears and finally got wise to the the crud they pulled. and they insisted that they did not have favorites or house players. what a jokeall you had to do is look at the history of winners. I sat many times with one number only to be beat out by the same winner in 3 rooms for the top of hour, top of day or top of week game. This happened several times to me. It got so bad that i complained in the chat and got called into help to keep the chat positive. Needless to say I contacted support and anyone else that would listen, to no avail. they called me a complainer lol I just questioned why the jp winners were the same and why when they had big gifts, such as trips to New York or 15,000 jps did these winners never appear or chat in the rooms. and then they have the same old winners over and over again. but boy the cls say oh shes a great person and has been here for years. No wonder she can be there for years you pay for her to play.
Well i let them know how I felt about being a depositor and with the same winners I would not be depositing again.
they also have games where you can play bbs or cash not really fair i feel because the same winners also won the big bbs games so they were only playing with them. then they would win cash games.
I have come to realize that there are very few if any fair sites out there.
this is very dissapointing as I love to play bingo online.
After reading this forum it really upsets me.
bali i know what site you worked for and It is that site I am talking about.
fair lol not at all. And boy don't say anything to them or you get the boot.
i am no longer allowed t go to their site which is ok with me.