Hi I would like to offer some constructive criticism here.

QUOTE (Our commitment is to find the Honest Sites and affiliate with them. If a member has an issue, with a site we are affiliated with, they can PM a staff member and we will intercede, on your behalf and seek a solution with that site. That is why we are a Union! Working together for solutions. We all benefit! If a site is non responsive, we will drop our connection with them and place their site on the list of Sites To Avoid; I don't like the term Black List.)

The goal of any watchdog group should never be to prove sites are honest it is fine to be affiliated with honest sites but they the sites should be the ones to ask to be affiliated with the forum. There should be certain rules for any site that asks for the forums endorsement. There should be an agreement that any site the forum endorses will abide by any decision the forum comes to. Even if the site disagrees with the conclusion. Any Bingo site that affiliates it self with the forum should be willing to answer all complaints said noncompliance would be grounds for removing from the list. Any bingo site affiliated with the forum should have a staff person assigned as a contact person for the forum admin. just affiliating ones self without proof of worthiness is following in the foot steps of obn,cm of the year and which bingo in whom real players knows where these other sites loyalty falls and its sure not with the players. Its all about perception if the forum is perceived to be for the players you will grow if you are perceived to be with the industry the forum will crash and burn. The forum should always perform an independent investigation not giving no more weight to the sites responses as to the complainers responses they should both have equal weight and don't let the bingo sites do the investigating for you.

QUOTE(This site is about Players and the Industry working together! There is no site bashing allowed! Bashing is: To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism. There is a difference between reporting a bad experience, with a site and out and out attacking them. Poster are urged to select their words carefully, when posting a complaint against a site.)

This quote is going to drive away any real complaints what is bashing? is it saying something bad about a site also akin to complaining moaning and so on to deter people complaining will in the end be the down fall of the forum. The power of a forum comes from its members. And members join because its a place for them to voice their opinion and complain bitch and moan its part of life. The only power a forum has is the voice of its members with their complaints why would a site want to affiliate itself with you unless you have the endorsement of the people. A forum can not wield power that it dose not have.

With that said and I am sure I will have more to say, There is a great staff here at this forum they are hard workers and they deserve a round of applause. I would sure like to see the forum grow and become popular. Good jobs guys keep up the good work and keep an open mind. If it Ain't working fix it.

I disagree! I think the goals of any watchdog group should be the ones the forum staff decides to use to achieve the goals they set for themselves and their forum.



I do not believe this is a question of "loyalty". Does the term "mediation" mean anything to you?



Obviously, perception is a personal ideal! Why does a forum have to be one or the other? Why should players AND sites not have their say?



Like i said earlier, any time there is arbitration, ONE of the parties will not be happy. The investigations to date have not been one sided....just facts.

We have a complaint forum. Open to anyone who wishes to post. It does not take a rocket scientist to be able to know the difference in "bashing" and sharing an experience or even complaing about a personal problem with a site. That is how players know there actually IS a problem.



Again....Rome was not built in a day!

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Any bingo site affiliated with the forum should have a staff person assigned as a contact person for the forum admin. just affiliating ones self without proof of worthiness is following in the foot steps of obn,cm of the year and which bingo in whom real players knows where these other sites loyalty falls and its sure not with the players.


I do not believe this is a question of "loyalty". Does the term "mediation" mean anything to you?

I beg to differ it is a question of loyalty you call yourselves bingoplayers union which denotes a loyalty to the players first. There are very few sites on the net today that represents the bingo players but yet there are mega sites that champion the bingo industry.

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Its all about perception if the forum is perceived to be for the players you will grow if you are perceived to be with the industry the forum will crash and burn.



Obviously, perception is a personal ideal! Why does a forum have to be one or the other? Why should players AND sites not have their say?


Again we will have to differ on this one ideals are a global opinion of the over all performance of a forum and perception is a major factor in determining the direction the forum will go.

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The goal of any watchdog group should never be to prove sites are honest it is fine to be affiliated with honest sites but they the sites should be the ones to ask to be affiliated with the forum. There should be certain rules for any site that asks for the forums endorsement. There should be an agreement that any site the forum endorses will abide by any decision the forum comes to. Even if the site disagrees with the conclusion.



I disagree! I think the goals of any watchdog group should be the ones the forum staff decides to use to achieve the goals they set for themselves and their forum.

What other goals should admin. have others than its players in witch they should represent vigorously this statement really perplexes me.

THAT is what we are about.....like it or not!

I can live with the goals of this forum long as the bingo players knows the goals and the direction this forum is going. I wish you all the best of luck and hope you can make a differance.But I will keep a eye on the forum.I have always been for the bingo players rights and will not side with any bingo site that has not proved itself to be fair and square.Keep your eyes open for my new forum >>>>SNIP<<<<<.

Again I will state the following.

There is a great staff here at this forum they are hard workers and they deserve a round of applause. I would sure like to see the forum grow and become popular. Good jobs guys keep up the good work and keep an open mind.

Edited by Admin. Reason: We are not allowing the advertising of unknown sites.

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The goal of any watchdog group should never be to prove sites are honest it is fine to be affiliated with honest sites but they the sites should be the ones to ask to be affiliated with the forum. There should be certain rules for any site that asks for the forums endorsement. There should be an agreement that any site the forum endorses will abide by any decision the forum comes to. Even if the site disagrees with the conclusion.

Guess I will start with this statement. If you read this, you will see it makes absolutely no sense. Why would any site give a forum carte blanche. No site is going to agree to go by what you decide if they disagree. If they did, the forum could express how they feel the offended player should receive a million dollars for their pain and suffering. Give me a break. The idea of this forum is to bring the players together with a site to work out a solution. It has nothing to do with how we feel, it only has to do with the facts. That is why we do not want bashing of sites. By this we mean, if you have a problem with a site, produce some documentation of it and we will work from there. We do not want people just coming in to say they think something is wrong with a site. We need some evidence to go on. In simple terms: no evidence equals bashing. Last point I feel I need to make. There is no way a site can "prove" they are fair. The sites that we have listed are ones we believe to be fair, and so far have not received any evidence that they are not. We do not want sites trying to convince us to list them. We are going to follow our own concience on this point. I hope I have cleared up for you exactly what our stance is. If you do not agree with the concept we are following, then I am sorry. We have decided our path and are staying the course.

QUOTE(That is why we do not want bashing of sites. By this we mean, if you have a problem with a site, produce some documentation of it and we will work from there. We do not want people just coming in to say they think something is wrong with a site. We need some evidence to go on. In simple terms: no evidence equals bashing.)

QUOTE(Last point I feel I need to make. There is no way a site can "prove" they are fair.)

Talking about contradiction if they cant prove they are fair how can you.The fact is the only way to prove a site is fair is through numerous complaints.

Any business is subject to complaints from all its customers and bingo is a business.

But your definitions of complaints are so far off the wall your pretty much telling players if you don't have smoking gun then don't post.


QUOTE(The sites that we have listed are ones we believe to be fair, and so far have not received any evidence that they are not. We do not want sites trying to convince us to list them. We are going to follow our own conscience on this point. I hope I have cleared up for you exactly what our stance is)

QUOTE(It has nothing to do with how we feel, it only has to do with the facts.)


Yep I think the whole bingo world knows where you stand.


Quote(We do not want people just coming in to say they think something is wrong with a site. We need some evidence to go on. In simple terms: no evidence equals bashing.)

I think everyone should read this before they sign up here.

At least I have the courage of my convictions to put my name on it. This forum is now set to only accept posts from registered members.
If it is damning criticism that we want facts and not ranting and raving without any evidence whatsoever, then I am guilty. If it is wrong to not solicit sites to try and woo us into listing them, okay guilty again. We have stated quite clearly, that we believe in the sites listed, and will continue unless it is shown to us to be otherwise. We are here to provide a service to our members, without bias. The decisions here are not made by one, but by us all. I am really tired of you pointing out nonsense, that only exists in your narrow mind.

Then bingo sites should have too meet the same burden of proof as a complainer.They should have to live up to every aspect they claim on their sites.

Narrow mindness is only conceived when your willing to turn a blind eye to the mountain of evidence that has been generated over the past few years concerning theses bingo sites.

But to each his own you can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all the people all the time.

Please if you have a mountain of evidence against any of our approved sites, feel free to forward it in email to admin@bingoplayersunion.com. We will be glad to look it over and get back to you. This is all we have ever asked for; if you have some evidence of wrongdoing, send it in and we will check it out.