Am I missing something here? I read Sissy's post as to say she WAS taking the blame for what she did to herself. She was simply stating her reasons for what she did. She's not blaming Charlie for all the money and friends she lost...she blames herself.

And as a side note; UK...I have a life. I have rebuilt it from the shambles I let it become. If you choose to play at BFH; so be it. To imply that we need to get a life because we happen to disagree with you is shallow and childish. I shall dispense to you your own advise...grow up darling.

Ash said:
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Above?? My what a choice of words. Did God make you better than the rest of us? You call it what you want. I call it truth!

And let me be the BIGGEST to stand up and tell you and Charlie and whoever the heck else is reading this that you DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

Ash said:



I do not really want to fight with you or anyone else Ash! But I am going to clue you in to something here and NOW. YOUR credibility is at stake here. I mean after all, a lie is a lie whether you tell it or I do!

You need to watch where you are going, and if you are going to come to OUR neck of the woods and speak, at least take the time to find out whether you are telling the truth or not!

I thought, composed, erased, rewrote and saved the whole first post ALL BY MYSELF. I did not need nor want any help.

This is the truth... For YOUR INFORMATION Roxi and I only spoke last week for the first time since October. So why do you INSIST on putting her somewhere she doesn't belong.

What is Bingofunhouse trying to do?? Turn the tables yet AGAIN where someone else is always to blame? Typical.

BFH why don't YOU take the responsibilty for what you have done? I did!

Roxi is not now nor ever has been involved in this. LEAVE HER OUT OF IT! She has no interest in any of this.

By the way, when did you become "Dr. Ash"? I wasn't aware that you could diagnose others illnesses.



I believe I stated more than once that I was blaming no one but myself, that I was not made to do anything. From what I know of you Ash, you seem very intelligent. Did you actually READ what I wrote? Is this another oversight or just untruth on your part? I also stated that I was being accountable for what "I did".

Ash said:


Fair? You want to talk about fair? So do I!!!! It was NOT FAIR for me to sit there and win pots or even try for a chance to win pots that others had PAID TO PLAY, knowing I wouldn't cash out! And I never did blame anyone but ME!! That is why I stand behind everything I posted.

Ash said:


As he well may be, I can't comment on that because I am not his employee.




Excuse me Ash....my "greed" has a dollar amount on it.... over $67,000.
Makes me pretty greedy I suppose.

I would think that if I truly were a greedy person, I would have kept playing comps and cashing out every chance I got. And I did not attack because of my greed. I spoke up because I was sickened with what I have done.

I spoke up because it was the right thing to do!

Ash said:


And I also wish you the best life has to offer. May God Bless you.

Ash said:


And I believe truer words were never spoken. So when things aren't going well at work, remember them!

UK_Winner said:



So turn off your computer.

UK_Winner said:



Damn... 2 doctors in one day. I am so blessed!

UK_winner said:


Probably a combination of the both. In saying that, I will ask you to come out of that costume you are wearing. I was honest enough to come in here with truth, not bothering to hide anything. Are you honest?
Put your name up then!!

U_Winner said:


I finally did! Only I did it as Me....Sissy!

UK_Winner said:


Knock yourself out!

God Bless you too!

UK Winner said



Well, mystery poster, I have found in my life that "fault" NOR "blame" changes a situation or chain of events. They have STILL happened.

Let me repeat myself.

What I did at Bingofunhouse was MY call, it was MY decision! It was MY fault!

What I have posted at the Bingo Players Union was My call, My decision and soley MY fault.

I posted it! It is the truth and nothing anyone can do or say will change the truth!

And what I try to do with the rest of my life is also My call, My decision and MY fault.

Honesty means more to me now than ever. I don't care what it costs or what anyone has to say about it.

Ash, I am a chat host as well. All the members here are aware of that fact. But, you will never find me promoting my site any where any time. So with that said...

You really need to think long and hard about your choice of words. You are putting your personal opinions out here for all to see and being judgemental of others in your work related name. In my opinion that could be more damaging to you personally! You may say you are simply defending your site, well then that is your choice but doing it in a manner that implies players are greedy or otherwise isnt necessary. You really want us to sit here and believe you arent aware of other players who are getting comped in this fashion? Are you telling them that they are greedy and weak? Somehow I doubt it, or you would be jobless!

I wonder how many players would love to see your choice of words here? I wonder how many players there in BFH would appreciate being told they are greedy? Makes me wonder, did you really consider the possible back lash you might endure? Somehow I doubt it!

I wont continue a battle over this with you or anyone else as that is not why I belong to BPU. I have enough words in other places that I refuse to do it here, but know this now.. you are in a job that is meant to

A. Please the players.
B. Run the games.
C. Credit accordingly.

and the biggest one of all

D. Keep your personal ideas and opinions to yourself.

So, if you really value your job in BFH or ever plan to work in any other site in the future do yourself a favor. Learn how to handle issues in a more professional manner and be more careful in your choice of words!


SomeoneSomewhere

Oh how I wish I wasn't such a tidy person...

I wish I could show everyone the email I had where Charlie stated that his site was not going to pay anyone's ** payments. Charlie has also stated he runs an "entertainment" only site. That we (players) shouldn't look at his site as a gambling site. His site was a place to come and play bingo with your friends and have fun while playing the chat games. Charlie also stated that to cash out repeatedly was abusing his site.



The spirit of the game? I thought the whole idea of gambling was to take home more than you started with? Can someone please define "spirit of the game" for me?

It is my opinion that you can either run an entertainment site and charge a monthly membership fee...or you can be a gambling site and rely on deposits to generate revenue. You can't be both at the same time.

I wrote to Charlie and asked him if he would accept a player who did not recieve any bonus monies at all. No chat game BBs...just a straight depositing player. And if that player decided to cash out everytime they doubled their 25.00 deposit; would he then lable them an abuser? Would they be playing in a fashion that was not in line with "the spirit of the game"? I recieved no reply to my questions...par for the course with him.

Sing your sad song of what it costs to run that bingo site to someone else Charlie.... we aren't buying it anymore!

sissy I commend and bow my head to you that was very bold and factual helpful imformation for other online bingo players. I have never personally played there and I certainly will not after having read this.

ash your spiteful attitude and demeaning manner towards sissy ( and others you mentioned ) in defense of your work place made my feelings about your site even more vaild.

uk please learn to read same to you ash ( motelprisoner was right on it ) sissy did not blame the site or its owner for her problem. she was simply pointing out how they took advantage of using her and her addiction as a way to keep paying players from winning but funding her account and with quite a LOT of funds I might add. and if they're doing this with her and others she knows knowing they cannot cash out with any of funds they win they are in fact doing it for that reason and that reason alone.
now I ask you both and anyone else who agree with you to ask yourself if your a "paying" player at a site would you want that site doing this with players?


(edited to add )
i almost forgot to mention I hadn't thought of it before until I read sissy's post it is not the same but there was a couple of times I went to live help at bingocard to complain about something going on and it would seem to shut me up they would credit my account with 50 bbs. same thing I could not cash out with this "gift" but i can tell you this I ironcially enough actually started winning a few games after receiving the credits

I received a private message and received permission from the writer to post it in this forum. I am marking out one person's name due to the fact that she does not want to become involved. Thanks racingirl!



Racingirl said:

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Sissy, I'm so glad that "X" told me about this site. I wondered where you all have been for so long. Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! I know this must have been very hard for you. I hate to say how much money BFH has stole from me. Not any more tho! Those house players are morally reprehensible! I told them that and posted this sites link. Of course I was immediately banned and my acct. disabled! Now why would those idiots think I would even want to come back. I can flush my money down the drain just as easily. I'm so disappointed in PP. I always had the feeling but like so many others I was HOOKED!!! Please know that I would never blame you for what you did, they know exactly how to work people and you were trapped! I only hope that some of the players will remember the name of this link I posted and check it out. Charlie sent me the quote regarding cashing out many times, know it by heart. It got to be where I waited for 2 weeks for a withdrawl. All I have to say is if those who don't believe you and accuse you of doing this just because you were a loser then what are they going to say about me? I lost but not near what some of them did I actually came out pretty close. I just refuse to play with a house full of thieves!

Gina
racingirl

Hats off to you racin!!! Thanks for your courage. There are some good sites out there.. who knows? We may play bingo together again!!

Good for you Sissy.It takes alot of guts to come forward and tell your story.There will always be others who come forward and bash without thinking about it first,makes you wonder if they are scared their free bingo bucks may be in jeopardy.Two thumbs up Sissy,keep up the great work.

Thanks for your kind words crafty. The part that took the guts was admitting my problem.

I have waited a long time to expose things I knew. The hardest part of coming forward with these things is the proof. It is very hard to obtain.

But I am sure there are watchdogs in LOTS of bingo sites now, just playing the "head games" until they can come up with concrete proof.
I say GOOD FOR YOU to those who are!

Bad thing about it is that it can become very expensive for some.

A friend and I was talking in AIM the other day and she put it in a nutshell for me. We both LOVED playing bingo and being with our friends. She said that what was just messed up (not her words lol) was that she just couldn't trust ANY of the sites anymore and has lost the desire to play.

Heads Up Industry!! I think you have just read what will be the end result to those of you who "pick your winners".

I have to agree with her though. I have finally accepted the fact that there are so few places I can fund and have a "fair" chance to win.

That makes two of us, I am sure the numbers will grow.

Sissy,
mgf, I know what it took for you to come forth, again Bravo!!!!=D> ...one day we will find that fair and square site. We can only hope that the owners and managers are listening...Its not the comps, the bonuses or anything of that nature, its the fair cashout policies...if u win let us withdraw it no hassels... base the pots on the players purchases...dont look to get rich off us and on the same token we wont look to get rich off you. Plain and simple. Once that site is found the owner will truly be successful as will the players will flock there for an honest game. Not one full of house players and hidden rules that be changed without notice. To all my friends who have been burn at site after site... (((((hugs)))) remember the current set up is for entertainment purposes only...so have a good belly laugh. Thats all u can do...getting angry will only raise ur blood pressure... large deposits only lighten ur wallet. What else can be said. I guess its all on how much u love the game, and the people your with.
On that note have a great day all!!
Pattie

i know some posters keep taking stabs at sissy for this thread in different post all over and in other forums. ::ahem:: ..........
and yet while we are all asking questions and looking for and waiting for answers as to if there are house players. and when someone rather its a player, a staff of a site etc. they have people judging them and putting them down or calling them liars, disgruntled, etc....... and yet we still sit and wait for more responses from different people to help us so called see the light! well folks this is why they don't come forth more often.

sissy considered herself a house player because she was using the funds givin to her by the staff to continue to play. I think after all the money she spent there she felt these funds she was gifted in a sense was rightfully hers. it was after the fact that she realized what was going on was wrong and she put a stop to it and came forward. to not only apologize for what she was doing but to also express her feelinsg on the issue. and what taking these funds and winning would mean to the depositing playing. it meant they were being cheated. so instead of putting her down why don't you THANK her for sharing this info with you. a lot of players out there don't realize what is going on at these sites and kudos to sissy helping explain to them what is by sharing a REAL story of her own. this wasn't second hand info , it wasn't speculation, it was and is the truth.
for the players who don't care that you are being cheated .......
well carry on lol

Sissy,
I went back to see if my apology was accepted and sdaw where you put the confessions post

I want to say that I admire what you have done. It is very hard to admit when you don't feel good about what you've done or what you are. Too admit it is the best way to overcome it. (Know this as I am a recovering alcoholic)

My hat goes off to you Sissy.
God Bless you for writing this.
I don't know Ash or uk winner and after reading what they said, I don't want to.

To say the vicious things to someone when they have poured their heart out like you did is a disgrace, heartless and just plain mean.

I am not saying this out of pity but sissy i do feel bad you went thru this and am so glad you took charge of it, this is very hard to do. bravo
Sissy please accept my apology for my actions on other thread, i would like nothing better than to be a friend. A friend that understands and is understood.
Thank You for being so kind on site yesterday, i cried the whole time i was there.

God Bless you Sissy

Apology accepted, we will start the New Year as friends if you will, and take it from there How bout it?