We have completed our Bingo Vega investigations and are posting our decision in this matter.

Cya is away for a few days and I have been asked to post this, so that our members can see how the investigation was handled.

In the following correspondence between Mike and BPU, you will see what we saw. I am posting ALL parts of this investigation. Each email will be in order of sent and response as it happened.



Mike's Reply:



My second email to Mike:



Mike's Response:



My reply:



Mike's FINAL Reply to me:



Reply to Mike: (At this point Mike the Floorman just STOPPED responding to me at all!)




Email to Mike:



This is the point where Cya took over and tried to work with Mike the Floorman (Bingo/Casino Vega)

Cya's first email to Mike (Bingo/Casino Vega)



Mike's Reply:



Second email from Mike while we were still investigating:




Cya's 2nd email:



Reply from Mike the Floorman at Bingo/Casino vega:



Response from Cya to Mike:



From Mike: ( I have "x'd" out the personal information of Gmeplyr for her protection)



Cya Responds:



In the midst of this correspondence, we received this email from a member.
I will protect this member's identity, but rest assured we have documents to prove this. Should this member decide to come forward and claim responsibility for this post , so be it.. but otherwise the member name will remain anonymous. BE SURE TO CLICK ON THE LINK IN THIS POST..VERY VALUEABLE INFORMATION HERE!!!


Next email from Mike:



ANOTHER email from Mike



Cya Response:



Mike answer:



Determination Email to Mike from Cya (player private info hidden)




Another attempt from Cya for a response from Mike:



FINAL reply from Mike the Floorman BingoVega/CasinoVega



Cya's FINAL email to Mike:



There has been no other correspondence between Mike and BPU. We have all documentation of Gmeplyrs accounts and transactions to fully back up our decision.

I want to say, PLAYER BEWARE!!!! DO NOT PLAY AT BINGOVEGA OR CASINOVEGA.. THEY DO NOT PAY THEIR WINNERS!!!!! This could happen to YOU as well as it did Gmeplyr!
Please feel free to take the link from this post and send it to everyone you know.. I will be!!
Get the word out! As Watchdogs, that is what we do!
Member feedback and input always appreciated!!

edited to x out overlooked personal info Sissy

by your own rules...if she had more than one account, the less active should have been closed.
you dont even have free bonus money to try out your site, so what use would she have had to open one account....never use it....and then turn around and open another account and fund 75.00?
she had absolutley nothing to gain by doing such a thing.
your just looking for any loop hole you can find to get out of giving her her 800.00 cashout. do you think people cant see through this?
SHAME ON YOU! PLAYERS BEWARE!

I was not sent by the floorman or bingo or casino vega. I came on my own because this same whiny baby CHEATER who wants paid opened YET ANOTHER ACCOUNT at bingo vega and posted the link to this while I was in chat and I have to say I am madashell.

I have played at vega for years under 1 account that I fund when I want to play. When these people come in and open multiple accounts it gives them an unfair advantage over us hardworking rule following players. I have always been paid my cash outs, and have never had a problem with them. And if she signed up more than one account using the same name, address, and phone number then she was not only cheating, but she was not so smart about it as well. I have to say as a player I am EXTREMELY HAPPY THAT SHE DID NOT GET PAID. Perhaps with her dirty winnings still in the site Vega can offer us actual rule following players bigger pots and better specials.
What I find extremely difficult to comprehend is why you or any other supposedly "watchdog" site is willing to stand up for an obvious cheater? If you play online bingo anywhere, then her and people like her are making the sites a little less fair for you to play at.

I have seen many of these people fly through the chatroom in a matter of minutes with very similar aliases, and you can't tell me that these are different people. While they may be able to fool an automated system for awhile, us live players are not as stupid as they obviously think we are. I have seen names like george1, george2 george3 up to george59 enter chat as new players in a matter of 5 minutes. Both the players and the hosts try to be nice and welcoming to new players, but cut me a break.

And if you felt it was your right to break the rules YET AGAIN and open another account to show us this stupid crap you posted here, and that oh you have some big watchdog forum behind you now, you are more stupid than we thought. We know the forums are here, and we know it is mainly disgruntled cheaters who use them. Hey whatever it takes for you to sleep with yourself at night.

I suggest you try playing by the rules next time you play at a bingo site, and perhaps you will receive your winnings. And the sad thing is, the people at bingo vega are nice enough that they might take you back if you came clean with them and actually wanted to play like I do as a fair one account player. You may not want to now, but when you get thrown off every other bingo site on the net for cheating, maybe you will think about it. Hopefully then you can abide by the rules and stop aggrevating those of us who do.

Oh and this was on Bingo Vega's cashout policy page and has been for a very long time:

Multiple Accounts:
Players must request Management approval before opening an additional account or playing from the same IP or household. This includes spouse accounts, other family members or friends. Individual Account information must match the Individual funding source information. Multiple accounts from one IP or household without management approval may result in forfeit of all winnings and all player accounts closed. Transfers are not allowed between accounts within a household or IP while a cashout is pending.

So if you want to quote rules and whether or not they are followed please quote the ones that pertain to the subject you are dealing with.




Thanks.

madashell said:


You may be "mad as hell" BUT.. you should know what you are talking about before you start accusing the wrong person of posting links in the chat while you were there!!!!! I don't care who sent you or if you came of your own accord.. YOU ARE WRONG! Gmeplyr DID NOT put those links in your chat room...I did! So you see, in my opinion,you jumped to conclusions, started up one of those free email names Mike referred to in his emails and came right in here like a house afire, throwing accusations around like you were well informed!!

If you want to support this site, what is wrong with using your player name?? If I am wrong please correct me, but I did not see a player name "madashell" listed in the chat list.. and believe me I looked! Is there a problem with coming in to defend them under your player name or would you rather rant and rave anonymously? And is your regular email address "reallypissed@yahoo.com"? Or is that just one you used for here?

And yes I used a different name when I registered there. I would have been banned long before now had I used the name Sissy and it would have hurt our investigation. I wouldn't have been banned for breaking the rules, I would have been banned because I am on the staff at BPU and we spoke out against Mike the Floorman and Bingo Vega.. Casino Vega.. The information we need is not given out freely so we use whatever means
are available to us to gather it. I am sure had you ever had an issue you would have wanted us to give 100% just like we did with this issue.

I posted those links to this forum because in MY OPINION, the players (those who choose to read, of course, and you seem to be one) at bingo Vega need to take a close look at everything that is going on, not only in this forum, but MANY MANY others out there concerning players who do not get paid what they win. Not being able to post what is on our minds ANYWHERE is a form of our freedom of speech being taken from us.
Speaking for myself and not the entire membership of BPU, I will use whatever methods I can use to bring cheater sites out into the open! Whether they cheat one or many.

madashell said:


Yes maybe you are one of the lucky ones who have never had a payout issue, but that does not mean others are walking in your shoes. You should watch the video that Damien Dunlap has over at OPU
(http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum/cmps_index.php).... he says it in a nutshell. And, for your information, that was not about the same player complaint! Yes there is more than one.. many many more. Did you click on one single link in those emails and actually READ what they said???????? If not and you really want to honestly evaluate us and our performance and/or decisions.. READ ALL THE INFORMATION!

You mentioned the account that "you fund when you want to play". I also got the number to call for alternative methods of funding the other night while visiting your chat... to those who are interested.. this
is the number to call...
.
Make sure you find out what methods they will use to pay you, IF they decide to pay you, should you win BEFORE you fund.. Now that the "hush hush" number is out in the open, I wonder how long it will take for
it to be changed. And if it is not hush hush.. please direct me to a place on that site where it can be found by any paying player at any given time, because when unable to find the information, I went into chat and asked.

madashell said:


IF is the key word here. We SAW the information.. ALL of it. She did not start multiple accounts. Oh.. there were multiple accounts alright, but one was from an IP address in Georgia.. she lives in
Oklahoma... And then the one we were sent from Mike was from New York .. PLEASE read more carefully. The proof is all there.

The last time I looked in that account, before it was closed, the $800. was STILL there.. now how on earth could it be offered to you "rule following players" as bigger pots and better specials if it is still in her account? That $800. is right where Mike wants it... in Bingo Vega's pocket! So much for your loyalty!
And I will repectfully ask that you take the time to find FACTS like BPU did with our investigations before you go accusing and calling names ("whiny BABY cheater").

madashell said:


Our findings were not an opinion.. they are based on documented FACTS!
Just because you have never had a problem with this site, doesn't mean that it is impossible that another might have had. One question... what made you come to the conclusion that she is an "obvious cheater"... facts only please, that is what we deal with here.

madashell said:


Does this automatically mean that everyone who comes in is guilty of that? Is there the slightest chance that some who are accused of that are innocent? We believe Gmeplyr had been wrongfully accused, again
on the basis of FACTS. And yes you are so right.. (each and every staff member of our forum either do play or have played for a LONG time) Bingo Players are not as stupid as many think we are and that is exactly why some of us stand up for those who reach out for help. We would do the very same for you!

madashell said:


I would be very interested in knowing who the "we" you keep referring to is.. do you represent a group?
And, again, I would suggest you get YOUR facts straight before you go off half cocked and being extremely mean to someone who had nothing to do with what you accused her of!! Oh and Mike did offer to let her play
again, but she chose not to (documented). Would you continue to play with a balance of $800. knowing already that you couldn't cash out? Had she continued to play and taken your honest hard earned cash knowing she couldn't cash out, then you would have had a reason to be "reallypissed"AND "madashell". Keep in mind, he invited her to continue to play on monies that she couldn't cash out if she won, KNOWING that it would be just another " house edge".
Now WHO is REALLY cheating you??

We have not seen one shred of evidence that this player started even one multiple account at Bingo Vega or anywhere else. Anyone with that proof should come forward. Mike made a statement to that effect but failed miserably in providing proof to back it up! Our findings were not an opinion.. they are based on documented FACTS!

As far as your being happy she didn't get paid so those of you who still play there can share what is rightfully hers.. I am most certain you would not feel that way if YOU were the one with an issue. Bingo has really turned into a "dog eat dog, to hell with my friends or fellow players as long as I get my piece of the pie" game it seems. Glad I don't play any more.

first off if you were so well informed you would know that vega did indeed offer $20 for new sign ups. Second if mike says she signed up using the same name address and phone number, PUHLEASSE.....

And if we wanted to come here and read your crap hers or anybody elses, we know you're here don't come bother us in chat. How many accounts you got? The reason I didnt come under my player name is because I don't want to be bothered by so called "watchdogs" who have no real idea or only read the rules we want to forums. And I signed up a phony email account to show you just how easy it is to fool an automated system. So before you go blasting a site, maybe you should get all your facts straight first. Oh and the "we" is the honest bingo players who play there. I am referring to see I am a member of a group a group of honest players.

I don't recall saying anything about a $20. sign up, but thanks for the info. Point being that one account Gmeplyr was accused of having had NO TRANSACTIONS... not even a $20. sign up bonus. We can prove that. And it was seen with information that MIKE sent us. So what would the purpose be of signing up for a new account as a means of "bonus abuse"?


sad to see someone so brainwashed that they can't READ the truth. His business depends on those like you.

I will have as many accounts as it takes to get the information I need. As long as I do not play against you and your honest groupies those accounts can not be hurting what is important to you.... your wins. But, I did come right out and tell you it was me.. I have nothing to hide, not anymore anyway. No one made you come here to read this. I gave you the option and you took it.

We Watchdogs do a lot of making folks angry. Especially the ones who do not want to hear or see the truth. I am not trying to change your mind or anyone else's for that matter. What I did was post documented facts that took well over a month for a team of six and honorable mentions to a couple of members who have the expertise of ip address knowledge to put together and if you don't like that... oh well!

It is worth all the anger to try to get a player who has been wrongly accused, persecuted and cheated out of their money. I am not looking for friends.. I am looking for what is RIGHT and Mike needs to pay her. And several others that he has cheated as well. She is not the dishonest one.. Mike the Floorman at Bingo Vega is.

So defend who you will, but if you can manage, try to eliminate the "personal feelings" you have and just look at the facts and documentation.

To date, I can't recall ANY Watchdog ANYWHERE stalking an "honest player" and making their life miserable, so .. sorry you felt the need to give us lessons on how easy it is to start a new email account. Email accounts are easy.. anyone can do it. Ip addresses are a little different thing. Our team at BPU has many very intelligent members, staff and otherwise who know how to deal with tracing players by their sign up information. We learn more with every issue.

You are the one who blasted without taking the time to get all of the information, not BPU.. we spent the time, intelligence and resources to "get our facts straight". You should try it... saves a lot of back peddling.

I may not be back in YOUR chat to bother YOUR little world, but believe you me someone will! If we opened one eye as to the truth about Bingo Vega and how they treat SOME of their players... it is worth any amount of crap you can say or do. I am not the only one who is watching and waiting.

We have been inviited by Damien at OPU to post our findings in this case on his forum... please view at
http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum ... #post92848

Thanks to Damien and the Watchdogs at OPU for your support!

Watchdogs do what they gotta do to get the job done ~! In this case, it was one helluva job ~!!!!!!!!

Thanks Damien for allowing the findings to be posted at OPU.. I value your opinion and always look forward to your findings as well.

GREAT JOB SISSY & CYA !

I BEEN THERE/ Missy

Ok this is the last time I'm posting here and you can tear it apart word by word and twist it to suit your purpose any way you want. Here's the thing. I have played at Vega for over 6 years, and I don't recall ever seeing your alias before. Yet I see on your forum that you have posted things about them before, which makes me think that maybe you too have more than 1 vega account. Which may be why you are defending someone so vigorously who does. Either way I don't really care. Its not like an $800 cash in would run them broke, so if they are holding it they probably have a reason to do so. And maybe you don't want to see the actual truth yourself. But I have seen times when 10 or more "new" accounts have come into chat all saying the same negative things. Like once they came played one game and said "same winners" . How in the heck do you even know if its the same winners if you only played one game? Could it be they were sent by a so called "watchdog" forum?

And if "doing what you have to to get the job done" means cheating a bingo site and aggravating their players, You're not really doing any job but making fools out of yourselves.
Go ahead and have a field day with this post and knock yourselves out. I had my say and I have better things to do than sit here and argue. Think I'll go play bingo.

Since it is your last time.. Don't know why I am bothering but.. One thing I assure you , I have never had a Bingovega account under any name. BUT.. They do allow multiples so.... As to who posts what,where,when & why should not matter considering they allow them at Bingovega. If you had read it all above you would see where Bingovega made their OWN mistakes in this matter. You accused but have no idea of the real truth.




If that were the case and they read ALL of the replies from both site & player with ALL detailed information... They most definitely should have paid the player.!



I am sorry you disagree but the we did see the proof from all sides and Bingovega could not and did not provide the proof they claim to have had. From where I sat, the truth was provided. I can not help what Bingovega said to have left out after the fact yet still did not provide. They had more the enough time to do so IF they were honest.



How do you know they are new accounts considering it is you who claims to know this said player had many ? Who cares if it is watchdogs or not playing or watching. You and many should be thankful for them watchdogs who spend numerous hours investigating and gathering the pertinent information to help people. ( which may just be you one day soon ).



How can watching or perhaps playing be cheating anyone ? We go in knowing fully well if we fund we may never see a dime if we should ever win. Just how is this aggravating ? If making a fool of ones self for the benefit of helping others means we are fools, then this forum & many others are full of fools* but they are some damn good ones ~!



Enjoy ~~ But remember.. It was plainly obvious and still so that you have no clue who you are playing against or talking to in chat since the allowance of multiple accounts is available and,... watchdogs are everywhere ~! No matter where you go someone is watching ~~~~~!


I BEEN THERE/ Missy

Ok I'm bored so one more say. So I did see the truth coming here. The truth is, Vega does not allow multiple accounts unless they are pre-approved by management, says so on the rules page. On the cashout page it says people having multiple accounts forfeit their winnings, too bad soo sad kiss the money goodbye and learn your lesson already. It makes no difference to me if she had more than account for the $20 free, for the 200% first deposit bonus, if she didn't want to reverse her cash-in, or if she just felt like she was funny. Either way rules are rules. If we have to abide by them then so should both the player in question and you.

You can justify it all want, and say you will have as many accounts as you "need" but my feelings are you should both be banned from the site. You both CHEATED I dont care what you did with the extra accounts, and put any sugar coating on it you want. Like I said anything you have to do to sleep with yourselves at night.

Thanks for showing me the real truth.

ok....one more time but a little slower.
by vegas own proof....this player did NOT have multiple accounts.
IP address was 2 different states....wasnt her.
the sign up name ( first name) was different....wasnt her.
the password used to register was even different....wasnt her.
the home addresses used to register were different....wasnt her.
the phone number was the same...but the number used in the false account did not coincide with the state it was registered from.
by vegas own proof....this player did NOT have multiple accounts.
vega has based their decission of this being a multiple account simply on a last name and phone number.
( i hope no one knows your last name and phone number....they could sure mess you up if you ever win big)

but even IF it was her ( which it wasnt ) there was absolutley noooooooooo activity on the 1st account ( the false account )shown to us by vega, no free bonus, no play, no nothing. bonus abuse dosnt apply to this so the less active account should have been closed.
by vegas own rules.

can madashell explain please how any watchdog CHEATED?? sissy did say she didnt even play just watched and collected info so where did the cheating come in. I just want to know.